kazeken
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Post by kazeken on Jan 10, 2007 22:38:55 GMT -5
I'll be playing WoW soon (see complaint). Only on a free trial, but I'll still be playing it. I'm going to play as a dwarf hunter on the terenas server. As I play I'll be comparing it to ffxi. This will be an imo thing, so no one take offense if I diss your game. And rest assured, I intend to diss em both. On the free trial I can only get to lvl 20, so I won't be doing any endgame comparing, only low-low middle levels. I'm curious to see what I'll find. Feel fre to bash/support anything I say, as well as give your own openions of the two games.
So far only one complaint: While trying to log in my srver was full and I had to wait 10 minutes so far to get in, and I'm still #61 in line. As far as I know this doesn't happen in ffxi.
Edit: My position in line is steadly decreasing, but occasionaly jumps up 2-3. Does this happen to any other WoWarcrafter's? Or is it only because I'm on a geust pass?
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Post by daggra on Jan 11, 2007 0:20:59 GMT -5
It happens cause u play on a heavily populated server. I had the same thing on my first server, but after some arguments on both Horde and Ally side I went to another server that was on 'recommended'. U won't have any waiting probs on those kind of servers. If ur going to buy the full game and start a new char it's best to start on a recommended or low server.
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Post by taru on Jan 11, 2007 0:59:54 GMT -5
Kaze, you should be impaled by a spoon.
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Post by Chadness on Jan 11, 2007 7:05:48 GMT -5
I've never seen my queue jump in numbers...usually I log on early enough in the evening that I don't have them though. My server is one of the very first and is considered a "full" server. Basically, you can't complain about this, especially starting a new character, because you can pick from over 100 servers, if you pick a full server, its your own fault. On another note, this only seems to happen a month or two after Christmas (same thing last year), because of all the noobs getting the game for Christmas. It evens itself out soon with transfers, people quitting who didn't like it or the like. Um...expect not to play for a day or so next week when the expansion comes out, although I'm optimistic the server infrastructure has been improved since launch and all we'll have is a few server queues here and there...but somehow I doubt it. Only 20 levels, eh? I expect very generalized critiques about the "learning" levels of the game, much as the first 20 levels or so are in FFXI...some of the worst levels of the game. Can't really see much of the game from that. If anything, I'd suggest comparing the first 20 levels of each game, and no more, to be as fair as possible. Oh, and expect Taru to throw a hissy fit at anything resembing any bad remarks about FFXI...after all, that game is perfect and has absolutely no faults whatsoever, has 100% up time, no RMT and is full of players who are perfect little angels.
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Post by Rovec on Jan 11, 2007 9:13:40 GMT -5
...after all, that game is perfect and has absolutely no faults whatsoever, has 100% up time, no RMT and is full of players who are perfect little angels. Well, duh!
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Post by kazeken on Jan 11, 2007 14:28:13 GMT -5
I've never seen my queue jump in numbers...usually I log on early enough in the evening that I don't have them though. My server is one of the very first and is considered a "full" server. Basically, you can't complain about this, especially starting a new character, because you can pick from over 100 servers, if you pick a full server, its your own fault. On another note, this only seems to happen a month or two after Christmas (same thing last year), because of all the noobs getting the game for Christmas. It evens itself out soon with transfers, people quitting who didn't like it or the like. Um...expect not to play for a day or so next week when the expansion comes out, although I'm optimistic the server infrastructure has been improved since launch and all we'll have is a few server queues here and there...but somehow I doubt it. Only 20 levels, eh? I expect very generalized critiques about the "learning" levels of the game, much as the first 20 levels or so are in FFXI...some of the worst levels of the game. Can't really see much of the game from that. If anything, I'd suggest comparing the first 20 levels of each game, and no more, to be as fair as possible. Oh, and expect Taru to throw a hissy fit at anything resembing any bad remarks about FFXI...after all, that game is perfect and has absolutely no faults whatsoever, has 100% up time, no RMT and is full of players who are perfect little angels. 1. I choose this server since my RL friend who plays WoW is on it. If you have friends on a server you shouldn't have to wait 15 minutes to play with them. FFXI never does that, so I can, and will, complain about it. I will also use too many commas when I feel like it. in WoW's defense I didn't wait at all when I logged in today, so like you said it has to do with what time of day you get on. 2. I had no intention of comparing mid level FFXI to low level WoW. I'm aware that on a free trial I won't be able to see much of WoW, I had intended from the start to make this thing very generalized. I'll make it as fair as possible, but I'm taking hits at both games. 3. Sporks>Spoons. And I'll play WoW when I want to gnomereaper. Got a new comment on WoW. I'm only level 2 so far, but I noticed something it has up on ffxi. Autoshoot. This god given ability means you click once and you keep firing till they exit your range or one of you dies. With FFXI the most shots you can get of before having to press something else is 3 or maybe 4. And that's if you make a macro taking the time to figure out gun delay on your own. Just a little difference, but an excellent one to a guy like me who shoots stuff a lot. When I take screenies they're listed as TGA files. I can't view these. Anyone know how to fix this?
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kazeken
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Post by kazeken on Jan 11, 2007 14:49:36 GMT -5
Didn't fix my screenie problem, but i'm using Fraps instead. Aren't I so Handsome?
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Post by Chadness on Jan 11, 2007 14:56:33 GMT -5
1) While server queues are rightfully something to complain about, you also have to take into account a few things: - They just started happening again after nearly a year. - Blizzard is very proactive about doing everything they can to limit them while allowing the servers the max number of players online at once to remain stable, and they've done a lot of things in the last year to make this year a lot less of a hassle than last year's queues were. - WoW has over eight million subscribers, FFXI has 1.5 million at most (are those accounts/subscribers or characters?). Its infinately harder to keep stable servers with over eight million accounts logging in every day. - WoW lets you choose which server to play on, FFXI does not. 2) Some mechanics, UI and the like are the same at end-game as they are at level 1...you can compare those, just as an idea. 3) TGA files - you need a program that can open TGA files, such as Photoshop or GIMP (although I haven't used the latter, and am not sure if it opens TGA files).
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Post by daggra on Jan 11, 2007 16:18:44 GMT -5
The autoshot (back when I played... thats about 3 months ago or so) was only something for the job hunter. Every other job had to click for every ranged shot.
And Chad... u say WoW has over 8 million account while FF only has 1,5 million... yeah sure, but u forget that wow has over 450 servers and FF only 33.
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Post by taru on Jan 11, 2007 17:05:07 GMT -5
Oh, and expect Taru to throw a hissy fit at anything resembing any bad remarks about FFXI...after all, that game is perfect and has absolutely no faults whatsoever, has 100% up time, no RMT and is full of players who are perfect little angels. And expect chadness to argue every little point about why FFXI's travel system is inferior to WoW's, because we all know that thats the most important thing in a MMO. No chad. I do know there are RMT on my server, In fact I had Mother Globe and Ulli taken from me yesterday. So shut up Chad, I dont want to argue with you about your stupid game anymore.
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Post by Chadness on Jan 11, 2007 17:23:06 GMT -5
LOL...expected response posted. Learn2takeajoke.
Daggra, that's my point. More subscribers = more servers = more of a hassle to maintain them.
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Post by daggra on Jan 11, 2007 19:26:26 GMT -5
True it is more of a hassle, but then again each continent/country has it's own maintenance team. What I mean is if u would devide the accounts over the servers u would end up with 17k per server in WoW and 45k per server in FF... that's a big difference. I know that WoW doesn't have any zones like FF does, so that's a lot more stress for those servers... but still. I know a 'full' server on WoW would exceed that 17k, but I don't think it would ever come close to the 45k a FF server would have... and even if it would, FF servers have higher populated servers aswell that prolly exceed that 45k.
Next to that WoW defides it's realms over 3 servers. One server takes up Kalimdor, one the Eastern Kingdoms and the 3rd is for the dungeons and such.
Imo FF servers are more reliable then those of WoW. Blizz put a cap on the 'population at a time' on every realm, so that's why u have to wait in a queue on peek hours... but even that cap doesn't seem enough sometimes, I can still remember Kalimdor crashing at our server when AQ ports were about to be opened cause there were to many players at one spot at once lol ;D.
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Post by Goero on Jan 11, 2007 21:36:34 GMT -5
Chad! Taru! Stop it! Jeezus! Chad! you instigated that.. thats lower then even a WoW player can get!
Taru.. ignore him...
Kaze... i would prefer to impale you with somethin duller.. but ehh.. you know.. to lazy to move...
I expect to see you soon though.. Even chad isn;t completely impervious to XI's addiction!
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kazeken
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Post by kazeken on Jan 11, 2007 22:30:54 GMT -5
Didn't know autoshoot was just a hunter skill. Still, it kicks A. And you do have a point about the amount of pop chad, I'll grant you that. Of course waiting to log in AGAIN does get a little frustrating xD.
Chad, does battlegounds have any capped 20 fights?
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Post by Chadness on Jan 11, 2007 23:27:53 GMT -5
The BG brackets go 10-19, 20-29, 30-39, etc. Then level 60 is in its own bracket for now.
Alterac Valley is its own deal, and that's levels 51-60 only.
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Post by kazeken on Jan 12, 2007 12:30:02 GMT -5
Sweet. Imma hit 20 Asap and go try out Battle Grounds.
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Post by Chadness on Jan 12, 2007 12:43:15 GMT -5
My suggestion to try out BGs, if you can only level to 20 in the trial, is to stop at 19...lol. Mainly because that's the highest level of the 10-19 bracket, whereas 20 is the owest level of the 20-29 bracket. Basically, you'll be fodder in the 20-29 bracket.
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Post by kazeken on Jan 12, 2007 16:26:31 GMT -5
Good advice. I almost went and got myself pawned.
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Post by Chadness on Jan 29, 2007 15:05:20 GMT -5
Was wondering what your conclusions where Kaz?
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Post by kazeken on Feb 14, 2007 16:50:18 GMT -5
My interent was taken from me before I even finished the trial From what I did play WoW seems to be a great game. I only got to lvl 9, but I enjoyed it more than I enjoyed the first lvls of FFXI. I'd say it's the friends you have in the MMO that decides which one you play. Or if you have the time, play em both. Honestly, if I didn't have friends in ffxi, I would be playing WoW. I'm a PvP lover, and WoW's PvP is far more extensive than FFXI's. That pretty much sells it for me.
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