kazeken
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Post by kazeken on Oct 12, 2006 22:38:22 GMT -5
Guess who's back, and guess what he brought back with him. I figured we'd launch right in with one of the most controversial topics of FFXI. Debate away...
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Post by taru on Oct 12, 2006 22:50:50 GMT -5
It really does depend. All that can be said for certain is a Paladin with Aegis can tank anything a ninja can tank as well as things that nin cant tank (Being things with triple attack).
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Post by Rovec on Oct 13, 2006 10:39:48 GMT -5
No one here will suppot those silly Ninjars, there will be no debate  PLD RULZ!!!!1 |
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Post by Chadness on Oct 13, 2006 12:38:56 GMT -5
There's no denying, at least back when I played, that, for the most part, paladin is the better tank. Ninjas have their tanking uses, but they aren't a tank. Period. The devs never intended them to be, from interviews I've read.
Its the same deal with druids and priests in WOW. Priests are THE healers. They're better than anyone else at healing. However, druids have their healing uses, but they aren't a primary healer. Blizzard never intended them to be, since they're a hybrid class.
Every MMO will probably have similar player-created issues in what players think classes can be based on some functionality they have found with the class that perhaps the devs didn't intend, but end up going along with.
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Post by taru on Oct 13, 2006 15:48:29 GMT -5
Indeed. I've seen it many times.
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Post by prophetofdoom on Oct 13, 2006 15:56:36 GMT -5
Nins may not have been designed to be tanks, and it may have been player created that they are... but soon after nin was released SE must have figured out that they made good tanks, why else would some of their high lvl JSE have emn+ gear? I did have a good friend in game (and rl) that was a 75 nin tank, and was awesome at it. Both plds and nins can tank, how well depends on the situation, and even more on the player's skill, but in most situations, in my opinion pld is better to have in the front.
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Post by taru on Oct 14, 2006 1:15:03 GMT -5
ya cant deny my point tho |
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sihmak
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Post by sihmak on Oct 14, 2006 1:53:09 GMT -5
No one here will suppot those silly Ninjars, there will be no debate PLD RULZ!!!!1 NINs ftw hehehehe |
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Post by taru on Oct 14, 2006 2:16:42 GMT -5
/sigh Sihmak
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Post by Goero on Oct 15, 2006 13:05:04 GMT -5
/em ducktapes Sihmak's mouth shu
What i wanna know is... Why is this even posted.. we know PLD gonna win in THIS Forum.. i mean just look at the background of the site!! two plds!!
PLDS FTW!!! ^^
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sihmak
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Post by sihmak on Oct 15, 2006 22:16:04 GMT -5
/em ducktapes Sihmak's mouth shu What i wanna know is... Why is this even posted.. we know PLD gonna win in THIS Forum.. i mean just look at the background of the site!! two plds!! PLDS FTW!!! ^^ lol i just like offering another point of view hehehe i am a 75nin along with my brd ;D. NIN tanks work just as well as plds |
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Post by taru on Oct 15, 2006 23:13:56 GMT -5
I can hold hate better
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Post by sihmak on Oct 15, 2006 23:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by taru on Oct 16, 2006 0:51:44 GMT -5
>_> I can hold hate better than your Ninja. Ninja hate holding = Too Weak
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Post by sihmak on Oct 16, 2006 15:12:55 GMT -5
>_> I can hold hate better than your Ninja. Ninja hate holding = Too Weak lol, I have lvl with a PLD once as a nin dd at 75 and he had trouble keeping hate off me >.> <.< i wasnt voking either, I figured the party help me save tools  the only reason I took it . |
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Post by taru on Oct 16, 2006 15:16:07 GMT -5
He obvoiusly was not an EoT pld!
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Post by Rovec on Oct 16, 2006 16:28:23 GMT -5
lol, I have lvl with a PLD once as a nin dd at 75 and he had trouble keeping hate off me >.> <.< i wasnt voking either, I figured the party help me save tools the only reason I took it . It is hard to keep hate off DDs durin' lvl 75 parties  Since ITs are rarely lvled off of now, DDs can deal alot of dmg and get alot of hate (much more then they would on ITs), and VT mobs don't hit plds for as much as IT, while they could be a good thing it's also harder to keep hate via cures that way. On say a HNM, there's no disputting it Pld will keep hate better then ninjas. And Prophet is a Blasphemer and must be hung at dawn... |
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sihmak
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Post by sihmak on Oct 16, 2006 17:58:57 GMT -5
lol, I have lvl with a PLD once as a nin dd at 75 and he had trouble keeping hate off me >.> <.< i wasnt voking either, I figured the party help me save tools the only reason I took it . It is hard to keep hate off DDs durin' lvl 75 parties Since ITs are rarely lvled off of now, DDs can deal alot of dmg and get alot of hate (much more then they would on ITs), and VT mobs don't hit plds for as much as IT, while they could be a good thing it's also harder to keep hate via cures that way. On say a HNM, there's no disputting it Pld will keep hate better then ninjas. And Prophet is a Blasphemer and must be hung at dawn... /sigh lol depends on which HNM having fought nearly all HNMs in the game the HNMLS i was in used both plds and nins to tank. We have used NIN to tank Faust and Byakko not that they count as HNMLs. Hell the JP use BRD/NIN to tank faffy lol my BRD doesnt have that quality of gear.. Really this arguement is moot PLD and NIN are both acceptable tanks, hell WAR is a great tank, accept it or not lol but i have experienced it first hand. Of course I play with high quality PLD, NIN, and WARs (not mean as an insult)  . And yes i know EoT is PLD bias but that is why i like to add my point of view.......just like the WOW vs FFXI threads hehehe |
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Post by Rovec on Oct 17, 2006 8:19:11 GMT -5
/sigh lol depends on which HNM having fought nearly all HNMs in the game the HNMLS i was in used both plds and nins to tank. We have used NIN to tank Faust and Byakko not that they count as HNMLs. Hell the JP use BRD/NIN to tank faffy lol my BRD doesnt have that quality of gear.. Really this arguement is moot PLD and NIN are both acceptable tanks, hell WAR is a great tank, accept it or not lol but i have experienced it first hand. Of course I play with high quality PLD, NIN, and WARs (not mean as an insult) . And yes i know EoT is PLD bias but that is why i like to add my point of view.......just like the WOW vs FFXI threads hehehe lol Not to say that Nin can't tank HNM and faust and all that good stuff (my Sky LS's leader is a ninja so he gets his way with what he wants to tank) but that pld will have better hate control on them then ninjas. Cause ya know...we pwn and all |
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PLD RULZ!!!!1
the only reason I took it .
Since ITs are rarely lvled off of now, DDs can deal alot of dmg and get alot of hate (much more then they would on ITs), and VT mobs don't hit plds for as much as IT, while they could be a good thing it's also harder to keep hate via cures that way. On say a HNM, there's no disputting it 
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